McCain says some torture justified

The Associated Press

Sen. John McCain, who pushed the White House to support a ban on torture, suggested Sunday that harsh treatment of a terrorism suspect who knew of an imminent attack would not violate international standards.

The Arizona Republican said legislation before Congress would establish in U.S. law the international standard banning any treatment of prisoners that “shocks the conscience.”

That would include, McCain said, mock executions and “water boarding,” in which a subject is made to think he is drowning.

Asked on ABC’s “This Week” whether such treatment of a terrorism suspect who could reveal information that could stop a terrorist operation would shock the conscience, McCain said it would not.

“In that million-to-one situation, then the president of the United States would authorize it and take responsibility for it,” McCain said.

“We’ve gone a long way from having that kind of scenario to having prisons around the world, to the renditions, to the things that have been done which are, in my view, not appropriate,” he said.

After months of rejecting a call for anti-torture legislation, President Bush last week accepted McCain’s proposal to ban cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of terrorism suspects. Bush had threatened to veto any bill that contained the ban, while maintaining the U.S. did not condone torture.

“You can get into a debate about what shocks the conscience and what is cruel and inhuman, and to some extent, I suppose, that’s in the eye of the beholder,” Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday in an interview to be broadcast Monday today on ABC News “Nightline.”

“But I believe, and we think it’s important to remember, that we are in a war against a group of individuals and terrorist organizations that did, in fact, slaughter 3,000 innocent Americans on 9/11, that it’s important for us to be able to have effective interrogation of these people when we capture them.”

Cheney said he supported the compromise Bush worked out with McCain.

Abuses at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison and the U.S. detention center at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba, as well as reports of U.S. renditions of prisoners to countries in Europe, called into question claims that torture was neither ordered nor allowed.

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